Toni Bugle: … these children need to be taught how to love again … I imagine that’s something they know very little about. It’s no good … (being raised by someone who’s) taught you that killing is normal.
Toni Bugle: … ISIS is to blame for this. Extremism is to blame for this. The parents who were extreme in their beliefs are to blame for this … teaching these children that their parents are “martyrs” … that isn’t “Western intervention’s” doing. That was the doing of those who were extreme.
Salman Butt: According to empirical studies it is Western intervention that was a catalyst for all of this.
Toni Bugle: (sarcastically) The West are always to blame, aren’t they? … It’s almost like you’re not willing to take responsibility within your own (Muslim) communities that there’s radicalisation going on …
Toni Bugle: We have to deal with the fact that (Islamic) radicalisation is happening all over the country (i.e. the UK) … (but) you don’t want to take any responsibility when you have the (Islamic) verses of the sword … This is what these children have been taught.
Salman Butt: They’re taught that because when a people are under threat of being wiped out, then the people who talk the toughest game, they rise to prominence. A well-rounded Islamic identity is actually a “firewall”, a preventative measure to political violence.
Toni Bugle (MARIAS, Mothers Against Radical Islam & Sharia) debates Talha Ahmad (Muslim Council of Britain) on RT.
Toni Bugle: Whenever anyone says anything about it, the first thing we’re told is that we’re “Islamophobic”.
Talha Ahmad: We have to be extremely careful that we do not create a condition and a narrative in which all Muslims are seen as suspect … There is no link to show that devout Muslims suddenly becomes a terrorist or vice versa.
Toni Bugle: … I don’t think it’s “all Muslims” … Why is the Muslim community not doing more to challenge this? Why is it they’re not cleaning up their own backyard? … It’s not my fault that these people (the extremists) see themselves as being Muslims and will do this in the name of Islam …
Talha Ahmad: … We, as a (Muslim) community, has no greater responsibility than any other section of the society …
Many have asked me why I felt this debate should be on the MARIAS website. What has it got to do with MARIAS’ mission?
Let me take a moment to explain.
Firstly, I am wholly against mixed sex (“unisex” or “gender neutral”) toilets, as they give rise to grave safety concerns for women and girls.
For example, at the moment, if I’m out and go to the loo and happen to be followed in by a male who doesn’t turn around realising his error, but instead continues to follow me in, that would alert me to a possible danger.
If however we have mixed sex toilets, how would I be alerted?
How would anyone know they had been followed in?
The other reason is this:
Muslim men would NEVER permit their wives or daughters to enter a mixed sex toilet.
So how long before we see Muslim-only toilets foisted upon us — to accommodate yet another supposedly aggrieved minority or special interest?
The great majority of citizens clearly do not want and do not need mixed toilets – either in schools or in public.
We cannot continue down this path of fake “liberalism” — where the common sense, time-tested practices of the majority are ignored and sacrificed for the sake of arbitrarily designated “minorities” – to whom we are forever pandering.
That’s why I felt this debate needed to be had and needed to be on the MARIAS website.
